> It is thus important to remember that the individuals
that acted violently
> today were not part of the protest; they were not
violent protesters nor
> necessarily violent people but, rather, people
acting violently.
You guys have such troubles with Anarchists,
eh?
I thought it was
funny when the news saw the Anarchists.
They were like "they
dress all in black, they wear hooded sweatshirts," etc,
and then the
business owners were like "well if you are going to
protest
don't
protest like this," one guy even said that "anarchists should
protest
peacefully just like
everyone else."
You know, I cannot
help but bite my tongue, because _these are anarchists_.
What the hell did
everyone expect? Peaceful anarchists? Cuddly
anarchists?
Some anarchists
believe that the only way to bring about change is through
violence. Violent
upheaval. Same with many diehard socialists.
There seemed to be
much ignorance on the part of the news with this conference.
They were so shocked
and stunned the whole way through. I mean, did they even
cover APEC when it
was in Vancouver? Did they even notice what went on? Did they even notice or
report on what happened at the WTO last year in Geneva? Or APEC 5 years ago,
when _hundreds of thousands_ rioted?
People are
complacent to the point where they expect social change to
happen
with sign-carrying
and chanting. Well, it's all fair and good, but Nike does not give a shit and
neither do the dearly elected officials.
On the other hand,
small groups of anarchists smashing business windows
does little as
well.
If people really
want to stop the WTO and go beyond being a soft-hearted
liberal,
they've got to
either
1) organise like
Ghandi
or
2) riot like the
Bolsheviks
or
3) fight like the
Canadians (We burnt down the White House).
Now, hopefully,
Ghandi-esque action will work.
But nothing short of
millions will do.
Hopefully this does
not occur too late--
the WTO is a monster
that has already caused far, far
more damage than
some broken shop windows, tear-gassed
individuals and
destroyed newspaper stands.
Here in North
America, we are so caught up in our own self-indulgence
that when mass
social movements happen we get so caught up in our
own narcississtic
loss and/or gain that we forget the bigger picture.
These anarchists are
perhaps rioting because they see it as the only way
to bring about
social change on a massive scale in order to completely
destroy the
capitalist machine that creates(d) things like the WTO.
People forget that
protesting, and the act of protesting, does not make
you a card-carrying
member of capitalism or American/CDN styled democracy.
Some people are
protesting against the entire system.
And you've also got
to wonder as to the underlying social tensions which
are existing in
order to create this sort of violence.
Serious problems
exist, and waving signs, while maybe good for the media,
won't change those
sweatshops, strike down environmental laws, and stop
general human
self-suicide.
> The more important issue is whether
these "violent protesters" are
> protesters at all. This is not the
most visible issue, but I think it is
> the issue that really gets to the
bottom of this feeling of "unfairness" we,
> the peaceful protesters, have
about the handful of people who acted
> violently. The people who
engaged in violent and destructive activities
> today were not part of the
protest at all, or, at least, they were not
> necessarily
protesters. To protest is to have a message; the purpose of
>
protesting is to convey that message. The message we all gathered
downtown
> to express today was one concerned with the effects and
implications of the
> WTO (and the effects of free-trade in particular) as
well as a message
> concerned with corporate rule and the legitimacy of
the authority of the
> multi-national corporation. I do not believe
that the goal of the "rioters"
> was to convey such a
message.
I
disagree.
Anarchism.
> if
the "goal" of the "rioters"
> was to take a jab at the WTO and corporate
power, attacking this jewelry
> store would be completely
counter-intuitive!
Again, I think
the point is being missed. The point of an anarchist, a violent anarchist, is to
smash capitalism. In all its forms. The point of an anarchist is also to cause
social upheaval. By any means possible. By doing things such as throwing M-80s
into the crowd.
>
It's perfectly reasonable to believe that vandalizing or
> stealing during
such a situation is less likely to be one motivated by the
> ideologies of
the protest and much more likely to be motivated by, "hey --
> free
shit!"
I think you
doubt some of the ideologies of these people--
namely
socialists and some anarchists--
that
is:
private
property is a crime.
> I commend
the media, too, for doing a surprisingly good job of making it
> explicit
that the "rioters" were not representative of the protesting going
> on.
Sure they
were. It's just that you don't agree with them.
There is no
easy way to close off the "set" of protesters.
This sounds
highly suspicious to me--
"you are only
a protester if...."
Remember that
any set of anything is defined in tautology;
what
constitutes the set *is* the set.
These people
were not peaceful-- but they were out to make a
point,
just as the
peaceful protesters.
I just think
that people are incredibly complacent to the point
that
when violence
occurs, it utterly shocks them. Don't be surprised,
is my answer.
Just because we are in North America does not mean
that social
upheaval cannot happen.
> It is
thus important to remember that the individuals that acted violently
>
today were not part of the protest; they were not violent protesters nor
>
necessarily violent people but, rather, people acting
violently.
Right,
and:
"It is thus
important to remember that the individuals that acted
peacefully
today were not
part of the protest; they were not peaceful protesters
nor
necessarily
peaceful people but, rather, people acting
peacefully."
It
holds.
[Agent T-X in response to Madame Psychosis]
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[4. stimuli ]
more info on Underground Resistance vs. BMG/Sony
real audio interview about the issue
> in other news, alec empire and dhr are also waging a legal battle
against
> sony because they used one of their songs on a commercial outright
without
> permission. alec empire also talks about his support for ur on his
website
funk balls- insane violence
> 5. Canadian Civil Liberties Association Seeks Investigation of
> Mass Strip Search at Rave
> > UFO sound-system organised a free party this weed-end near
Fontainebleau, 60 km
> > south of Paris. About 1000 people and a 10 kw rig. At 8 police
attacked suddenly
> > with lacrymo gas & flash-ball, hitting everybody, molesting
girls, destroying
> > decks & cars. It was a show of histeria. Of course, many of
the ravers started
> > to throw stones or anything toward police. Fight ceased afer one
hour and 4
> > policemen were hurted and at least 20 ravers. 11 people arrested.
UFO's (hired)
> > rig was confiscated. Thing is, police never tried to negociate
anything : they
> > just attacked !
> >
> > Troubles are getting more and more serious here in
France...
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > Emmanuel Grynszpan
> >
> >
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[5.
deployment]
::techno deployment across canada and the west
coast::
feb27[van] Eye of Newt
Collective at the Blinding Light Cinema, 8:30pm
mar02[vic] Interchill
Organic Electronic @ Neptune Soundbar
mar03[vic] Orca w/ dub
gnostic & spencer @ Neptune Soundbar
mar04[vic] Modern Deep Left Core Tete LIVE @ Neptune
Soundbar
mar04[sea] Multiple
Technological Orgasms: Ambient Party
mar05[van] NINJA TUNE
[Amon Tobin, Wiggy Smalls, Steinski]
@ the Sugar
Refinery 1115 Granville St. Tix @ Boomtown
only
mar4-5[waterloo] STUDENTS AGAINST
SWEATSHOPS conference
mar09[sea] Aron Schoppert @ Aftertouch
mar11[vic] Velvet LIVE @ Neptune
Soundbar
mar11[toronto] JEFF MILLS @
Mach2
mar17[vic] Organic Decay:
Tyler Stadius & dub gnostic @ Neptune Soundbar
mar18[vic] Cobblestone Jazz (Garden City Dubs) LIVE @ Neptune
Soundbar
mar24[vic] Jae Chubb &
Spencer @ Neptune Soundbar
mar25[vic] Q LIVE @ Neptune
Soundbar
apr15[vic] Pilgrims of the
Mind LIVE @ Neptune Soundbar
may19[university of
chicago] dialogue: jeff mills & richie hawtin.
may27[sea] Quelque Chose
release party, feat. Tobias, Sutekh,
the henry art gallery @ the university of washington
currently has three
quality exhibits:
::shifting ground:: - transformed views of the american
landscape
this exhibit looks at the evolving relationship and
tension between
landscape and technology.
::inside out:: - new chinese works
this exhibit isn't going to be at the henry much longer --
only through
march 5th. film, installations, sculpture, etc. this is a
must see;
definitely one of the best exhibitions at the henry this
academic year (if
not _the_ best this year).
::iρigo manglano-ovalle:: - banks in pink and
blue
an installation inviting a "dialogue about the legal,
artistic and ethical
issues surrounding genetics and dna." cryogenic sperm
banks (one pink, one
blue) containing gender-separated sperm specimens. a video
with a woman
reciting the contracts negotiated between the specimen
lenders, museum, and
artist. the whole thing ironically (?) has a very cold and
sterile feel.
all three are worth seeing. i recommend visiting soon --
before "inside
out" is gone.
info: hartg@u.washington.edu
or: 206-543-2280
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[6. addendum]
Wright unveiled a new poster for newsrooms across the country entitled
"Practise Safe Sourcing." It includes a list of FBA-approved neutral sources on
various issues that reporters can quote without fear of contaminating their
stories with bias, including:
The Fraser Institute
Business Council on National Issues
The Fraser
Institute
David Frum
The Fraser Institute
Preston Manning
The
Fraser Institute
Conrad Black or any other CEO earning more than $200,000
per year
The Fraser Institute
Any WTO or APEC official
Monsanto (or
the Fraser Institute's genetically modified spokesperson)
A second informational campaign called "FBA's Ten Most Biased Sources" will
be targeted at the public as well as media workers. The poster includes
mugshots, aliases and descriptions of "dangerously slanted" suspect sources.
Writers are warned to "quote with extreme caution" and readers are urged to
contact the FBA immediately if they see these sources in print.
The FBA's Ten Most Biased Sources include its "Canada's Media Balance Enemy
Number1" Maude "Anti-Corporate Conspirator" Barlow, a.k.a. Mendacious Maudie, or
the Neo-Socialist Socialite. Other FBA sources on the most biased list include:
Svend Robinson
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives
Mel Hurtig
Council of Canadians
Noam Chomsky
Stevie Cameron
Alexa McDonough
John Ralston-Saul
NDP Anything
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