> It is thus important to remember that the individuals
that acted violently
> today were not part of the protest; they were not
violent protesters nor
> necessarily violent people but, rather, people
You guys have such troubles with Anarchists,
I thought it was
funny when the news saw the Anarchists.
They were like "they
dress all in black, they wear hooded sweatshirts," etc,
and then the
business owners were like "well if you are going to
protest like this," one guy even said that "anarchists should
peacefully just like
You know, I cannot
help but bite my tongue, because _these are anarchists_.
What the hell did
everyone expect? Peaceful anarchists? Cuddly
believe that the only way to bring about change is through
upheaval. Same with many diehard socialists.
There seemed to be
much ignorance on the part of the news with this conference.
They were so shocked
and stunned the whole way through. I mean, did they even
cover APEC when it
was in Vancouver? Did they even notice what went on? Did they even notice or
report on what happened at the WTO last year in Geneva? Or APEC 5 years ago,
when _hundreds of thousands_ rioted?
complacent to the point where they expect social change to
and chanting. Well, it's all fair and good, but Nike does not give a shit and
neither do the dearly elected officials.
On the other hand,
small groups of anarchists smashing business windows
does little as
If people really
want to stop the WTO and go beyond being a soft-hearted
they've got to
1) organise like
2) riot like the
3) fight like the
Canadians (We burnt down the White House).
Ghandi-esque action will work.
But nothing short of
millions will do.
Hopefully this does
not occur too late--
the WTO is a monster
that has already caused far, far
more damage than
some broken shop windows, tear-gassed
destroyed newspaper stands.
Here in North
America, we are so caught up in our own self-indulgence
that when mass
social movements happen we get so caught up in our
loss and/or gain that we forget the bigger picture.
These anarchists are
perhaps rioting because they see it as the only way
to bring about
social change on a massive scale in order to completely
capitalist machine that creates(d) things like the WTO.
People forget that
protesting, and the act of protesting, does not make
you a card-carrying
member of capitalism or American/CDN styled democracy.
Some people are
protesting against the entire system.
And you've also got
to wonder as to the underlying social tensions which
are existing in
order to create this sort of violence.
exist, and waving signs, while maybe good for the media,
won't change those
sweatshops, strike down environmental laws, and stop
> The more important issue is whether
these "violent protesters" are
> protesters at all. This is not the
most visible issue, but I think it is
> the issue that really gets to the
bottom of this feeling of "unfairness" we,
> the peaceful protesters, have
about the handful of people who acted
> violently. The people who
engaged in violent and destructive activities
> today were not part of the
protest at all, or, at least, they were not
protesters. To protest is to have a message; the purpose of
protesting is to convey that message. The message we all gathered
> to express today was one concerned with the effects and
implications of the
> WTO (and the effects of free-trade in particular) as
well as a message
> concerned with corporate rule and the legitimacy of
the authority of the
> multi-national corporation. I do not believe
that the goal of the "rioters"
> was to convey such a
the "goal" of the "rioters"
> was to take a jab at the WTO and corporate
power, attacking this jewelry
> store would be completely
Again, I think
the point is being missed. The point of an anarchist, a violent anarchist, is to
smash capitalism. In all its forms. The point of an anarchist is also to cause
social upheaval. By any means possible. By doing things such as throwing M-80s
into the crowd.
It's perfectly reasonable to believe that vandalizing or
> stealing during
such a situation is less likely to be one motivated by the
> ideologies of
the protest and much more likely to be motivated by, "hey --
I think you
doubt some of the ideologies of these people--
socialists and some anarchists--
property is a crime.
> I commend
the media, too, for doing a surprisingly good job of making it
that the "rioters" were not representative of the protesting going
were. It's just that you don't agree with them.
There is no
easy way to close off the "set" of protesters.
highly suspicious to me--
"you are only
a protester if...."
any set of anything is defined in tautology;
constitutes the set *is* the set.
were not peaceful-- but they were out to make a
just as the
I just think
that people are incredibly complacent to the point
occurs, it utterly shocks them. Don't be surprised,
is my answer.
Just because we are in North America does not mean
upheaval cannot happen.
> It is
thus important to remember that the individuals that acted violently
today were not part of the protest; they were not violent protesters nor
necessarily violent people but, rather, people acting
"It is thus
important to remember that the individuals that acted
today were not
part of the protest; they were not peaceful protesters
peaceful people but, rather, people acting
[Agent T-X in response to Madame Psychosis]
[4. stimuli ]
more info on Underground Resistance vs. BMG/Sony
real audio interview about the issue
> in other news, alec empire and dhr are also waging a legal battle
> sony because they used one of their songs on a commercial outright
> permission. alec empire also talks about his support for ur on his
funk balls- insane violence
> 5. Canadian Civil Liberties Association Seeks Investigation of
> Mass Strip Search at Rave
> > UFO sound-system organised a free party this weed-end near
Fontainebleau, 60 km
> > south of Paris. About 1000 people and a 10 kw rig. At 8 police
> > with lacrymo gas & flash-ball, hitting everybody, molesting
> > decks & cars. It was a show of histeria. Of course, many of
the ravers started
> > to throw stones or anything toward police. Fight ceased afer one
hour and 4
> > policemen were hurted and at least 20 ravers. 11 people arrested.
> > rig was confiscated. Thing is, police never tried to negociate
anything : they
> > just attacked !
> > Troubles are getting more and more serious here in
> > regards
> > Emmanuel Grynszpan
::techno deployment across canada and the west
feb27[van] Eye of Newt
Collective at the Blinding Light Cinema, 8:30pm
Organic Electronic @ Neptune Soundbar
mar03[vic] Orca w/ dub
gnostic & spencer @ Neptune Soundbar
mar04[vic] Modern Deep Left Core Tete LIVE @ Neptune
Technological Orgasms: Ambient Party
mar05[van] NINJA TUNE
[Amon Tobin, Wiggy Smalls, Steinski]
@ the Sugar
Refinery 1115 Granville St. Tix @ Boomtown
mar4-5[waterloo] STUDENTS AGAINST
mar09[sea] Aron Schoppert @ Aftertouch
mar11[vic] Velvet LIVE @ Neptune
mar11[toronto] JEFF MILLS @
mar17[vic] Organic Decay:
Tyler Stadius & dub gnostic @ Neptune Soundbar
mar18[vic] Cobblestone Jazz (Garden City Dubs) LIVE @ Neptune
mar24[vic] Jae Chubb &
Spencer @ Neptune Soundbar
mar25[vic] Q LIVE @ Neptune
apr15[vic] Pilgrims of the
Mind LIVE @ Neptune Soundbar
chicago] dialogue: jeff mills & richie hawtin.
may27[sea] Quelque Chose
release party, feat. Tobias, Sutekh,
the henry art gallery @ the university of washington
currently has three
::shifting ground:: - transformed views of the american
this exhibit looks at the evolving relationship and
landscape and technology.
::inside out:: - new chinese works
this exhibit isn't going to be at the henry much longer --
march 5th. film, installations, sculpture, etc. this is a
definitely one of the best exhibitions at the henry this
academic year (if
not _the_ best this year).
::iρigo manglano-ovalle:: - banks in pink and
an installation inviting a "dialogue about the legal,
artistic and ethical
issues surrounding genetics and dna." cryogenic sperm
banks (one pink, one
blue) containing gender-separated sperm specimens. a video
with a woman
reciting the contracts negotiated between the specimen
lenders, museum, and
artist. the whole thing ironically (?) has a very cold and
all three are worth seeing. i recommend visiting soon --
out" is gone.
Wright unveiled a new poster for newsrooms across the country entitled
"Practise Safe Sourcing." It includes a list of FBA-approved neutral sources on
various issues that reporters can quote without fear of contaminating their
stories with bias, including:
The Fraser Institute
Business Council on National Issues
The Fraser Institute
Conrad Black or any other CEO earning more than $200,000
The Fraser Institute
Any WTO or APEC official
the Fraser Institute's genetically modified spokesperson)
A second informational campaign called "FBA's Ten Most Biased Sources" will
be targeted at the public as well as media workers. The poster includes
mugshots, aliases and descriptions of "dangerously slanted" suspect sources.
Writers are warned to "quote with extreme caution" and readers are urged to
contact the FBA immediately if they see these sources in print.
The FBA's Ten Most Biased Sources include its "Canada's Media Balance Enemy
Number1" Maude "Anti-Corporate Conspirator" Barlow, a.k.a. Mendacious Maudie, or
the Neo-Socialist Socialite. Other FBA sources on the most biased list include:
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives
Council of Canadians
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